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anthony

they do have a point, about how north americans and europeans are suspicious of creedal statements, orthodox readings of canonical texts, and church fathers, and how that is in many ways, what is required of xians

Susan

You know I just want to go away and curl up inside some nice cozy cave and be oblivious to everything. I respect the people who attended in Jerusalem. I don't disagree with the main points of the statement. I respect ++Rowan and don't disagree with the points of his response. And I really like the Rome, Constantinople and Canterbury address. Then I go and be stupid and read the response of the Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church in the USA and then the response of our Primate here in Canada and I am so embarrassed and sad as I have been by almost everything that has come from on high from both those places for very very many years. I don't even get disappointed anymore and that is telling. Caves look good to me. They were good enough for lots of the desert Fathers. I suppose I just have to accept the whole long haul, long view, remember Athanasius and the Arian controversy, remember the Non-Jurors, sort of thing. I do believe I'll be long dead before healthy orthodoxy returns to the fore in the Canadian church. Whatever. God's timing is God's timing. I have zero interest in leaving and zero committment to the present theological/political/ecclesial regime. Okay. A cave it must be then.

Thank you Joseph for fair and faithful posting of pertinent things.

Tim

I thought the most telling point of disagreement was the GAFCON statement's claim that a false gospel, contrary to the biblical gospel, is being proclaimed in North America, and Archbishop Hiltz's denial of this claim.

It seems to me that an international conversation needs to take place on the subject of 'What is the Gospel?' I suspect that both African and North American versions may turn out to be truncated.

I take the GAFCON point that the North American 'gospel' has emphasised acceptance to the neglect of transformation. I suspect that the African 'gospel' has emphasised individual salvation rather than the Lordship of the cosmic Christ over the whole of creation. And if (as I believe) St. Paul's fundamental statement of the gospel in Romans 1 is that Jesus Christ is Lord, I suspect that neither Africans nor North Americans have fully faced the implications of that statement as regards our loyalty to rival lords. Anglicanism has Erastianism in its DNA.

Malcolm+

"I suspect that both African and North American versions may turn out to be truncated."

That may be the single most honest sentence written in the course of the present unpleasantness.

Leslie

"What is the Gospel?"

If all levels of clergy world-wide in several denominations laid all their cards on the table over that question, in plain language might I add, I imagine these types of problems would sort themselves out tout suite.

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