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Wet Coast Tom

Our family made a camping motor holiday to Saskatchewan this past summer & the feeling of vast space is overwhelming.

We will keep the Diocese of Edmonton and the Yukon in our prayers.


Amen Joe. I do a lot of pulpit supply and interim fill in for rural Anglican, United and Lutheran churches in this area and it is hard watching them struggle to keep their doors open - especially when they are one of the remaining groups serving the needs of communities under a lot of stress.


I think it should one of things the candidates in our episcopal election need to address. Our rural communities have been under stress for some time now, and the church needs to retool its ministry.


I know at least one candidate who plans to do that...


That's quick. The deadline for nominations was this past Monday. So you know who the candidates are, Fr. Tim?? Please share.


Well, I nominated one of them.

But I'm sworn to internet secrecy until the names are officially made public.


All speculation on the candidates will be reserved for the back alley behind the synod office.
ps - any real speculation on actual names will be deleted...


Sorry for asking. Silly me. I bow to the Gnostic Secret Knowledge Types. Far be it for me or any simple parishioner to want to have any information. Every once in a while I forget that the great majority of us are just supposed to be happy mushrooms.


Susan - it is more about making sure that nominated names have had their checks done and are actually eligible. It would be rather embarrassing for a candidate to have their name out there and then for the chancellor to discover something, err, amiss.

My team is working on cracking the safe.


Rural ministry is always first priority for the Anglican Church...that's why we always send our most experienced and skilled pastors to the rural charges, and save the stable, city parishes for the more inexperienced.


i meant to clip it for you, but i didnt, so i am qouting from memory--but i would cut urban from that, there is much shutting down and discussion of shutting down unproductive anglican parishes in toronto recently, and RC parishes in Montreal. I think the only people who regularly go to church in large numbers any more are those in the suburbs.


anthony - did you see the article in the Globe and Mail about the ecclesiastical executioner? Of course, as one friend of mine remarked, the only thing more difficult than trying to resurrect a dying church is actually trying to kill it...


i thot it was in the star, but that was the article i was refering to.


Susan, I think that's unfair. The only reason I know the name of one candidate is because I nominated that candidate. I have no knowledge of any other candidates. I've heard rumours, but they're just as good as anyone else's rumours. I am not a 'gnostic secret knowledge type'.


Yes, Tim. It was unfair and I am sorry. Please forgive me. Not directed at you or anyone in particular. Just venting on a tired old personal secrets are harmful theme that I must get over.


No worries, Susan. I probably shouldn't have posted the 'teaser' that got it all going in the first place.

Joe, why shouldn't we have a rural ministries conference in Edmonton? There are all sorts of people over the past few years, in many different denominations, who have written good stuff about building healthy rural congregations. Time for us to access some of that expertise, I think - although I suspect that our addiction to full time seminary trained ordained priests as the one-size-fits-all form of pastoral ministry in the local church might make some of what these writers have to say difficult for us to hear.


BTW, your anti-spam word this time was 'feudyg'.

Sounds like a guy with a cold saying 'feuding'...


It's the welsh spelling. :^)

steve the z

If you do have a rural ministry conference, I would pose the idea for discussion that it should be in a rural setting rather than Edmonton. It's easy to have enviroment affect discussion, and decisions.


steve - that is probably a very good point. Setting and environment have a definite impact.


Out of curiosity, are elements of rural ministry ever covered in seminary?

It is a radically different undertaking than a city ministry...especially if it happens to be a farming community. I don't know, I've often wondered if lots of the...disenchantment?...that comes with heading out to a country church comes with the idea that it's simply a small version of a city church.


Leslie - that's a good point. I don't recall anything in seminary about rural ministry as such. I don't think we appreciate enough the cultural shifts involved in moving from urban to suburban to rural, nor the specific kinds of ministry which are unique to each.


I didn't go to a proper seminary, so I can't comment directly from my own experience. But from talking to colleagues who did, I think its a rare seminary that actually deals with the difference in pastoring the rural church.

One seminary that does offer an M. Div. with a rural ministry concentration is Queen's in Kingston:

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